what is the historical content of reversing the money printing machine, supplies, debt to curb inflation and once the cat is out of the bag, such what is the ride down and it's implications?
One problem I see right now is never in history has the U.S. owed so much in debt to other nations, especially one nation, China, controlling so much of it...
so that's another analysis question, how does that come into play in this "winding down" to avoid inflation?
means any of their pals and revolving door colleagues.
I saw Volcker said the Fed is going to have to become more transparent, less power, along with Barney Frank...
and I saw that Geithner/Fed are arguing over publication of the "stress" tests because they don't want the public to know who really are the Zombie banks...
but it gets better, some are saying they do not want to make the "stress tests" public because the test themselves are really bogus and incomplete, which will even more incense the public on how they are just handing gobs of money over to their golfing buddies.
but I think that Oregon basically has a high tech economy in Portland scabbed onto an older, primary goods (timber, minerals, ag products) based economy. And I imagine the the dip in the housing market cut a lot of the demand for building supplies. Also there are a few RV manufacturers in the state.
Want to really be freaked out?
That's industrial capacity utilization. It fell off a cliff. This is where the government needs to be spending money, but instead we're pissing it away on the financial sector to feed the elite.
The auto industry is never going to be the same, but we need a market conforming industrial policy where the government looks at industrial capacity not being used, and finds profitable uses for it. The wind energy sector is an obvious target for former auto plants. Many of the skills and tools are transferable, so there isn't a macroeconomic collapse.
Same thing with housing. Building starts are down, but money spent on increasing residential energy efficiency keeps building trades guys on the job.
And both allow us to limit our energy imports improving our balance of trade with the rest of the world.
China and energy imports are honestly about the same level.
Oregon doesn't have large manufacturing or an auto industry. So, I don't quite get why Oregon's unemployment is so high. MI/IN/NC I do.
I do note that the Western states with the super high unemployment rates are also "illegal alien land", but that doesn't make any sense whatsoever in showing up in the unemployment statistics, unless those states are counting illegals from construction in their stats.
Housing construction is assuredly down in those 3 states but those jobs have been so dominated by illegal labor, this just isn't making much sense.
If you could break down the occupation data in job losses maybe we can get a clearer picture.
Could be the entire housing bubble industry as well in those states....it wasn't just construction but real estate people, bank loans, etc. industry, maybe this is where it's coming from.
trust me, there are traders...particularly of the institutional variety who would pounce on these guys if it put their holdings in jeopardy
I'm to the point that I do believe that. What I no longer believe is that the holdings of *anybody* on Wall Street mirrors the interests of Joe Worker on Main Street or Jane Taxpayer- in fact, it seems over the last several years, Corporate America has been declaring war on those other two sectors of the economy.
So excuse me if while I do believe you that the traders would pounce, if it doesn't give me very much consolation.
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Executive compensation is inversely proportional to morality and ethics.
Kind of like communism for corporations too. They ain't gonna let a single one of their pals go to the dogs, especially if they have ties to Goldman Sachs.
The RE market is the foreclosure market. Of course if you read my favorite propaganda rag the SacBee everything is coming up roses. No wonder they are going out of business
Why doesn't the gov't want the banks to pay back the TARP funds?
Simple .... because any of the institutions that pay back the funds automatically brings into question the health of those banks that don't payback TARP funds. Therefore ... nobody gets to pay back the funds. Its a gift courtesy of the US taxpayer.
I am thinking the unemployment is going to be so high, it will cause a double dipping. It's now at 12.1% in Oregon, and hitting over 10% in many states. CA is 11.1%.
I knew it was really no choice for President but I don't think McCain could have moved faster than this.
;)
Do you know now Obama is doing illegal immigrant raids and giving them work Visas?
There is never any mention that these illegals have jobs U.S. citizens really need in any of these stories.
There is a headline on CNN and the guy is clearly working in a reasonably paying blue collar job, not a mention that an American could really use that job.
A President McCain would not even have allowed it to get this far. He would have let Chrysler die off months ago and let the UAW and salaried workers fend for themselves. At the very least, he would have forced the bankruptcy sooner. Obama, sad to say, was the least of the two "evils."
As for trade deals, the Administration isn't going to renegotiate their book of trade deals just to save a single car company nor an industry. Imagine if a country came to us and said they wanted to start up their car industry and wanted more access to our market nevermind access to theirs. We would say no. Look, we don't have free trade, never really had it, and I suspect we really never will.
I don't know if you realize it but there are two features to create drafts on EP and it's really useful in doing reviews for an entire week.
the first is the private checkmark. That's basically a draft for only you will be able to see your post.
Then, under authoring information you can set the timestamp of publication. Timestamps are set upon the first "submit" (i.e. save) but you can modify that field so you can publish the post at a certain time that you want.
I have time and I read a lot of stuff eminating from all over the place. I enjoy doing it and hopefully, it will bring some other perspectives into consideration. The weekend sounds like a good time to post. It's kind of late this week but I think I can come up with a short list of good stuff. For consistency, I just need to think a bit about when, exactly, to post. Leave it with me and look for the first installment soon.
what is the historical content of reversing the money printing machine, supplies, debt to curb inflation and once the cat is out of the bag, such what is the ride down and it's implications?
One problem I see right now is never in history has the U.S. owed so much in debt to other nations, especially one nation, China, controlling so much of it...
so that's another analysis question, how does that come into play in this "winding down" to avoid inflation?
means any of their pals and revolving door colleagues.
I saw Volcker said the Fed is going to have to become more transparent, less power, along with Barney Frank...
and I saw that Geithner/Fed are arguing over publication of the "stress" tests because they don't want the public to know who really are the Zombie banks...
but it gets better, some are saying they do not want to make the "stress tests" public because the test themselves are really bogus and incomplete, which will even more incense the public on how they are just handing gobs of money over to their golfing buddies.
I think the unemployment rates in rural areas in OR have hit the roof so maybe this is it.
Yes, it does have some, but it's no where near WA or CA.
We need to push up manufacturing policy, the insanity of bad trade deals etc.
I agree, they are busy feeding their zombie bank pals and they act like manufacturing is a dirty word.
I tried to warn during the primaries and it's almost like discrimination the attitude of team Obama towards manufacturing.
Lumber industry is taking a hit from the housing sector.
but I think that Oregon basically has a high tech economy in Portland scabbed onto an older, primary goods (timber, minerals, ag products) based economy. And I imagine the the dip in the housing market cut a lot of the demand for building supplies. Also there are a few RV manufacturers in the state.
Want to really be freaked out?
That's industrial capacity utilization. It fell off a cliff. This is where the government needs to be spending money, but instead we're pissing it away on the financial sector to feed the elite.
The auto industry is never going to be the same, but we need a market conforming industrial policy where the government looks at industrial capacity not being used, and finds profitable uses for it. The wind energy sector is an obvious target for former auto plants. Many of the skills and tools are transferable, so there isn't a macroeconomic collapse.
Same thing with housing. Building starts are down, but money spent on increasing residential energy efficiency keeps building trades guys on the job.
And both allow us to limit our energy imports improving our balance of trade with the rest of the world.
China and energy imports are honestly about the same level.
We need people in power with a plan, not Bambi.
Oregon doesn't have large manufacturing or an auto industry. So, I don't quite get why Oregon's unemployment is so high. MI/IN/NC I do.
I do note that the Western states with the super high unemployment rates are also "illegal alien land", but that doesn't make any sense whatsoever in showing up in the unemployment statistics, unless those states are counting illegals from construction in their stats.
Housing construction is assuredly down in those 3 states but those jobs have been so dominated by illegal labor, this just isn't making much sense.
If you could break down the occupation data in job losses maybe we can get a clearer picture.
Could be the entire housing bubble industry as well in those states....it wasn't just construction but real estate people, bank loans, etc. industry, maybe this is where it's coming from.
always trying to bring sunshine into our "sky is falling parade" :o)
It has always been about class warfare.
I'm to the point that I do believe that. What I no longer believe is that the holdings of *anybody* on Wall Street mirrors the interests of Joe Worker on Main Street or Jane Taxpayer- in fact, it seems over the last several years, Corporate America has been declaring war on those other two sectors of the economy.
So excuse me if while I do believe you that the traders would pounce, if it doesn't give me very much consolation.
-------------------------------------
Executive compensation is inversely proportional to morality and ethics.
Kind of like communism for corporations too. They ain't gonna let a single one of their pals go to the dogs, especially if they have ties to Goldman Sachs.
Adding to the inventory.
The RE market is the foreclosure market. Of course if you read my favorite propaganda rag the SacBee everything is coming up roses.
No wonder they are going out of business
It has always been about class warfare.
Why doesn't the gov't want the banks to pay back the TARP funds?
Simple .... because any of the institutions that pay back the funds automatically brings into question the health of those banks that don't payback TARP funds. Therefore ... nobody gets to pay back the funds. Its a gift courtesy of the US taxpayer.
Nice, huh?
It has always been about class warfare.
I am thinking the unemployment is going to be so high, it will cause a double dipping. It's now at 12.1% in Oregon, and hitting over 10% in many states. CA is 11.1%.
I knew it was really no choice for President but I don't think McCain could have moved faster than this.
;)
Do you know now Obama is doing illegal immigrant raids and giving them work Visas?
There is never any mention that these illegals have jobs U.S. citizens really need in any of these stories.
There is a headline on CNN and the guy is clearly working in a reasonably paying blue collar job, not a mention that an American could really use that job.
A President McCain would not even have allowed it to get this far. He would have let Chrysler die off months ago and let the UAW and salaried workers fend for themselves. At the very least, he would have forced the bankruptcy sooner. Obama, sad to say, was the least of the two "evils."
As for trade deals, the Administration isn't going to renegotiate their book of trade deals just to save a single car company nor an industry. Imagine if a country came to us and said they wanted to start up their car industry and wanted more access to our market nevermind access to theirs. We would say no. Look, we don't have free trade, never really had it, and I suspect we really never will.
I just posted an Instapopulist. It is only a modest improvement, but it is still the highest since the onset of Black September.
Link
NDD, you are on to something.
sales taxes!
I don't know if you realize it but there are two features to create drafts on EP and it's really useful in doing reviews for an entire week.
the first is the private checkmark. That's basically a draft for only you will be able to see your post.
Then, under authoring information you can set the timestamp of publication. Timestamps are set upon the first "submit" (i.e. save) but you can modify that field so you can publish the post at a certain time that you want.
Sounds very good, glad to see you taking it on.
I have time and I read a lot of stuff eminating from all over the place. I enjoy doing it and hopefully, it will bring some other perspectives into consideration. The weekend sounds like a good time to post. It's kind of late this week but I think I can come up with a short list of good stuff. For consistency, I just need to think a bit about when, exactly, to post. Leave it with me and look for the first installment soon.
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