There should be a lot more talk of blowing up the over the counter derivatives market as promoted by Myron Scholes on Bloomberg yesterday in an article by Christine Harper.
Blinder argues against nationalizing the banks but I think the issue here is, as far as I know, most are not talking about completely absolute, every bank in the U.S. is nationalized...
just the TARP recipients or at least the large ones.
Yes, I know but I also know that VCs also have great experience evaluating business plans that might succeed as well as putting startups together.
I would say give them serious incentives as well as oversight. My conditions were all hires must be U.S. citizens, all work must be done in the U.S., then business plans must be viable, people credible. I would say to quit the "soup can label" credential demands these guys usually have (i.e. must have a at least a MS from Stanford, etc.) but work to basically fund a host of startups, new innovations, new small businesses.
the key is to have the business models and plans, the ability to executive be viable and frankly our government seemingly isn't so great at that.
We do have things like NASA, DARPA that are huge successes but we need either privatization spin off of some of the patent pools plus an environment, which is purely U.S. citizens to generate more.
Throw out an idea or two, sounds like you know the VC beast!
"and when one collapses the middle class, one collapses the economy."
Rob, The VCs (has anyone really checked out/connected the dots as to who exactly is running the Obie Economic Advisory Board?) have every intention of exterminating the middle class, whom they don't want anywhere near the finer things in life that require the use of dwindling precious natural resources? (oil, my friends, is still the gold standard for energy - problem is, billions of people in the third world want some of that, too. Does Africa and S. America really have an infinite supply of natural minerals to create all these costly solar panels and electric car batteries and energy efficient building materials that is dubiously supposed to feul a Green Energy Economic boom?)
Middle class workers with college degrees threatens these so-called vcs who describe themselves and their pals as 'innovators' who have, over the years, funded so many dogs of start ups staffed by their clubby former investment bankers pals to run them so that they all could blow through stock options like Bolivian Marching Powder, making them instant millionaires. These innovators, btw, have not innovated anything of note (other than insipid social networking sw) which is another reason to cite for tech companies not hiring. These brainiacs have nothing for people to work on.
That's what is happening in a host of sectors, from Medicine to research to tech to even teachers. While one can deal with the great privatization of the military, that is important but it's not going to stop the destruction of the United States and working America.
... protectionism is shifting from an Importer's Exchange Rate to an Exporter's Exchange Rate ... but then we might have to cut out some hundred or two of our 700+ overseas bases, and that just "can't be contemplated" (by, that is, the Outsourced-Military / Industrial Complex, since "servicing" those bases is guaranteed profit in the bank for organizations like KBR).
I'm sorry but there is a huge difference between numbers, mathematics, science and trying to ascertain or predict human behavior.
I'm sure it comes into play but the issue here is trying to put human behavior as the "be all/end all" to economic systems is undermining the fact economic systems are fundamentally mathematical in nature.
For much of the 20th Century economists assumed that homo sapiens is rational, and that with equal access to data
rational outcomes would prevail. For a while now this assumption has come under fire because it's not really practicable in real life: labor and capital have different motilities, different accesses to variously layered and discontinuously distributions of data, which are often clumped require investments in analyses, etc. A key point about "Animal Spirits" is that we are attemptedly rational, we aspire to be so, but are not always so. Indeed, there's an article this week in the Economist that addresses why customers are often willing to pay more for drugs, even when they suspect prices may be lower elsewhere.
I note that most of the people who really know what to do here are not in power. It appears Volcker knows what's going on, probably Jared Bernstein, but why these people are not part of at least an adviser panel or something to craft a solution is beyond me. Another is Bill Isaacs....
It's pretty clear also there is major pressure to get rid of Geithner. Now if "wall street" is calling for his head, eh, I question their motivation! With the mother of all financial meltdowns on their hands I don't think this is the time for on the job training. If it was a different time he wouldn't be in such a pickle.
Yeah, add Reich to the list and there are any number of investment analysts you could add too. But the thing I liked most is that Stiglitz takes the good bank approach of determining the good assets as the basis for the ongoing bank. This considers the welfare of the taxpayer first but also saves a functioning banking system. It is the good bank that receives the government/taxpayer assistance.
The toxic assets are left for the shareholders, bondholders and the old bank management to deal with in the open market. It seems a subtle difference to start from a position of protecting the good assets, as opposed to finagling over how to value and what to do with all those bad assets. The difference in outcome is that taxpayer money is only going to institutions which have a high probability of surviving and are structured to participate in economic recovery.
The Friday Night videos, the Ascent of Money, I finally figured out what was going on.
It's clear he updated the entire series most recently...
and is just about 30 days ago and the new updated series is going to be run again but they went ahead and put it online almost immediately.
to the point, he is all over China in the last segment and he is saying, they are not hurting a bit. No where near the U.S. Europe, U.K.
I've seen other reports that they are but nothing to the point of civil unrest.
Watch the segment (last in the series)and check out the air pollution plus the fact China ripped up prime farmland (of which they don't have enough) to build a "global financial center".
you have to remember that China is two things: 1) a nation full of people, and 2) a state controlled by the Communist party.
As bad as the economic crisis has hit us, its quite worse in China. The government is afraid, with reason, that they've lost the trust of the people, and that the rage at having been exploited and then screwed out of a check is going to shift from the employer, specifically, to the government's management of the crisis.
That leaves the leadership few options. You can kill people like Tianamen, but that only works in small doses without undermining the functioning of the economy.
The second option is to deflect the anger being directed at the government into a nationalism that blames the countries problems on other countries. And that replaces legitimation by economic growth, with a legitimation by national greatness. There is a streak of nationalism that sees China as having been robbed of large areas of East Asia that are now in Russia, Mongolia, Korea, and Southeast Asia.
I think that there is real reticence among the current CCP leadership about stoking nationalism and becoming openly militaristic. But the current leadership's term in office will be coming to an end in the next few years.
If large scale social unrest occurs, and to be clear we are just now coming to the end of the Chinese New Year holiday, where people traditionally go home to the country from their city jobs. Those city jobs have disappeared, and over the next few months these migrant workers money is going to start drying up. By the fall of this year, it's going to be clear how this first act plays out. If the social unrest continues on the present path, towards larger demonstrations, directed against the government, then something has to happen.
And if the government can't keep control, the PLA (Army) will, and that would most likely mean a quasi-military regime like in the late 1970s. For the past two decades, the PLA has been crafting an ideology of nationalism in contrast to the ideology of development at work in the present leadership.
So we'll see.
What is clear though, is that the Chinese military is using the spending to boost recruitment, and to modernize weapons. As I understand it, the Navy is currently trying to acquire an aircraft carrier, and blue water capability. This means that they could project power, for example put troops in Africa, supply them, and have air support for the mission.
There are a series of experts calling for a modified Sweden model at this point. Well, they were calling for it when the first bail out came up and no one listened...
I personally think these various economists should be enlisted by the Obama administration to set this system up.
It's obvious they need to bankrupt, restructure, nationalize these institutions and plain throw out anyone who wants to keep the Ponzi scheme going.
I appreciate the warnings he mentions when getting private hedge funds etc. to "deal with the toxic assets" on how they will screw the taxpayer, nation, pocket the profits somehow plus move them offshore.
He has a plan for a global system, twin peaks on market regulation as well.
When I first heard of Volcker I was like "oh God, that Reagan guy from the 80's who sent interest rates to the stratosphere" but he's turning out to really know what he's talking about.
Seems to me they are building up their economic war machine to dominate the globe and most assuredly Asia, but does that include military conquest at a later date?
somewhat more complex than it looks at first glance.
First, so as not to drain the central governments hard currency reserves, largely dollars, it is planned to be implemented primarily through provincial and local governments. AFAIK, these are basically unfunded mandates.
Second, a large part of that money is go to bring what had become private business back under the control of the state. This spending isn't random, and looks an awful lot like an effort to shore up the industrial base needed to make war. For example the proposed purchase of Hummer by Dongfeng would eliminate dependence on imports of the chassis and engine of Chinese military vehicles from the United States.
Unbelievable isn't it? The world has changed in a matter of a few months. I watch TV and wonder who the hell they are talking to. It's like the ads cannot keep up...
we have brokerages talking about "diversification" and continual selling of $50k cars on those ads....
It's like multiple realities that are colliding and they do not match or sync and television is like from a time machine things are changing so dramatically.
Then, TV talking idiot heads are so amusing...
I saw multiple programs today claim low wages was "good" because it kept the United States "competitive" when they cannot even grasp no one can even afford rent on minimum wage or compete against a lower national GDP/PPP ratios like China, Vietnam, India etc. have in terms of wages.
No matter what....they cannot seem to get it together that income, wages, middle class is the economy and that's the key to this entire mess....
and when one collapses the middle class, one collapses the economy.
I'm sure next week I will write some Manifesto rant on how high wages are a damn good thing and if corporations had a clue they would realize that and so on. ;)
Yes, if they cannot get first and foremost a massive, aggressive, U.S. citizen, perm resident, work done in the United States government program together immediately we're in huge trouble.
I also think they should enlist every VC out there, guarantee their money and demand they invest in U.S. businesses, require the hiring of U.S. workers, business is done in the United States.
An army of VCs, evaluating business plans and people and get innovation out of this moving right now.
It appears we need a hell of a paradigm shift to get out of this mess and instead they just seem insistent to hold on to their toxic derivatives.
The unemployment projects were 10% by the end of 2009 but the rate it's going, I think it's going to exceed that very soon.....
There should be a lot more talk of blowing up the over the counter derivatives market as promoted by Myron Scholes on Bloomberg yesterday in an article by Christine Harper.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aNRppMJqgURA
Firing Tim and Ben is secondary. They need a plan that will build confidence, and then the nature of that plan should determine who will implement.
Nationlize the Banks, not so fast
Blinder argues against nationalizing the banks but I think the issue here is, as far as I know, most are not talking about completely absolute, every bank in the U.S. is nationalized...
just the TARP recipients or at least the large ones.
they need to resolutely and quickly temporarily nationalize these banks and stop throwing money at them.
The Federal Reserve Chair serves 4 year terms at a time. I don't know if one can be removed before that time is up.
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Yes, I know but I also know that VCs also have great experience evaluating business plans that might succeed as well as putting startups together.
I would say give them serious incentives as well as oversight. My conditions were all hires must be U.S. citizens, all work must be done in the U.S., then business plans must be viable, people credible. I would say to quit the "soup can label" credential demands these guys usually have (i.e. must have a at least a MS from Stanford, etc.) but work to basically fund a host of startups, new innovations, new small businesses.
the key is to have the business models and plans, the ability to executive be viable and frankly our government seemingly isn't so great at that.
We do have things like NASA, DARPA that are huge successes but we need either privatization spin off of some of the patent pools plus an environment, which is purely U.S. citizens to generate more.
Throw out an idea or two, sounds like you know the VC beast!
"and when one collapses the middle class, one collapses the economy."
Rob, The VCs (has anyone really checked out/connected the dots as to who exactly is running the Obie Economic Advisory Board?) have every intention of exterminating the middle class, whom they don't want anywhere near the finer things in life that require the use of dwindling precious natural resources? (oil, my friends, is still the gold standard for energy - problem is, billions of people in the third world want some of that, too. Does Africa and S. America really have an infinite supply of natural minerals to create all these costly solar panels and electric car batteries and energy efficient building materials that is dubiously supposed to feul a Green Energy Economic boom?)
Middle class workers with college degrees threatens these so-called vcs who describe themselves and their pals as 'innovators' who have, over the years, funded so many dogs of start ups staffed by their clubby former investment bankers pals to run them so that they all could blow through stock options like Bolivian Marching Powder, making them instant millionaires. These innovators, btw, have not innovated anything of note (other than insipid social networking sw) which is another reason to cite for tech companies not hiring. These brainiacs have nothing for people to work on.
That's what is happening in a host of sectors, from Medicine to research to tech to even teachers. While one can deal with the great privatization of the military, that is important but it's not going to stop the destruction of the United States and working America.
... protectionism is shifting from an Importer's Exchange Rate to an Exporter's Exchange Rate ... but then we might have to cut out some hundred or two of our 700+ overseas bases, and that just "can't be contemplated" (by, that is, the Outsourced-Military / Industrial Complex, since "servicing" those bases is guaranteed profit in the bank for organizations like KBR).
I'm sorry but there is a huge difference between numbers, mathematics, science and trying to ascertain or predict human behavior.
I'm sure it comes into play but the issue here is trying to put human behavior as the "be all/end all" to economic systems is undermining the fact economic systems are fundamentally mathematical in nature.
For much of the 20th Century economists assumed that homo sapiens is rational, and that with equal access to data
rational outcomes would prevail. For a while now this assumption has come under fire because it's not really practicable in real life: labor and capital have different motilities, different accesses to variously layered and discontinuously distributions of data, which are often clumped require investments in analyses, etc. A key point about "Animal Spirits" is that we are attemptedly rational, we aspire to be so, but are not always so. Indeed, there's an article this week in the Economist that addresses why customers are often willing to pay more for drugs, even when they suspect prices may be lower elsewhere.
Animal spirits move the economy to the point someone got a Nobel prize for this?
Ya know, sure mass psychology, "herd behavior" and other factors assuredly come into play, especially in bubbles and troughs...
but in all seriousness if it is believed this is the primary market force...
Let's consult Jane Dixon for future predictions next.
I note that most of the people who really know what to do here are not in power. It appears Volcker knows what's going on, probably Jared Bernstein, but why these people are not part of at least an adviser panel or something to craft a solution is beyond me. Another is Bill Isaacs....
It's pretty clear also there is major pressure to get rid of Geithner. Now if "wall street" is calling for his head, eh, I question their motivation! With the mother of all financial meltdowns on their hands I don't think this is the time for on the job training. If it was a different time he wouldn't be in such a pickle.
Yeah, add Reich to the list and there are any number of investment analysts you could add too. But the thing I liked most is that Stiglitz takes the good bank approach of determining the good assets as the basis for the ongoing bank. This considers the welfare of the taxpayer first but also saves a functioning banking system. It is the good bank that receives the government/taxpayer assistance.
The toxic assets are left for the shareholders, bondholders and the old bank management to deal with in the open market. It seems a subtle difference to start from a position of protecting the good assets, as opposed to finagling over how to value and what to do with all those bad assets. The difference in outcome is that taxpayer money is only going to institutions which have a high probability of surviving and are structured to participate in economic recovery.
That's the kind of policy change I can embrace.
The Friday Night videos, the Ascent of Money, I finally figured out what was going on.
It's clear he updated the entire series most recently...
and is just about 30 days ago and the new updated series is going to be run again but they went ahead and put it online almost immediately.
to the point, he is all over China in the last segment and he is saying, they are not hurting a bit. No where near the U.S. Europe, U.K.
I've seen other reports that they are but nothing to the point of civil unrest.
Watch the segment (last in the series)and check out the air pollution plus the fact China ripped up prime farmland (of which they don't have enough) to build a "global financial center".
you have to remember that China is two things: 1) a nation full of people, and 2) a state controlled by the Communist party.
As bad as the economic crisis has hit us, its quite worse in China. The government is afraid, with reason, that they've lost the trust of the people, and that the rage at having been exploited and then screwed out of a check is going to shift from the employer, specifically, to the government's management of the crisis.
That leaves the leadership few options. You can kill people like Tianamen, but that only works in small doses without undermining the functioning of the economy.
The second option is to deflect the anger being directed at the government into a nationalism that blames the countries problems on other countries. And that replaces legitimation by economic growth, with a legitimation by national greatness. There is a streak of nationalism that sees China as having been robbed of large areas of East Asia that are now in Russia, Mongolia, Korea, and Southeast Asia.
I think that there is real reticence among the current CCP leadership about stoking nationalism and becoming openly militaristic. But the current leadership's term in office will be coming to an end in the next few years.
If large scale social unrest occurs, and to be clear we are just now coming to the end of the Chinese New Year holiday, where people traditionally go home to the country from their city jobs. Those city jobs have disappeared, and over the next few months these migrant workers money is going to start drying up. By the fall of this year, it's going to be clear how this first act plays out. If the social unrest continues on the present path, towards larger demonstrations, directed against the government, then something has to happen.
And if the government can't keep control, the PLA (Army) will, and that would most likely mean a quasi-military regime like in the late 1970s. For the past two decades, the PLA has been crafting an ideology of nationalism in contrast to the ideology of development at work in the present leadership.
So we'll see.
What is clear though, is that the Chinese military is using the spending to boost recruitment, and to modernize weapons. As I understand it, the Navy is currently trying to acquire an aircraft carrier, and blue water capability. This means that they could project power, for example put troops in Africa, supply them, and have air support for the mission.
This is a very, very short overview.
There are a series of experts calling for a modified Sweden model at this point. Well, they were calling for it when the first bail out came up and no one listened...
I personally think these various economists should be enlisted by the Obama administration to set this system up.
It's obvious they need to bankrupt, restructure, nationalize these institutions and plain throw out anyone who wants to keep the Ponzi scheme going.
I appreciate the warnings he mentions when getting private hedge funds etc. to "deal with the toxic assets" on how they will screw the taxpayer, nation, pocket the profits somehow plus move them offshore.
He has a plan for a global system, twin peaks on market regulation as well.
When I first heard of Volcker I was like "oh God, that Reagan guy from the 80's who sent interest rates to the stratosphere" but he's turning out to really know what he's talking about.
Seems to me they are building up their economic war machine to dominate the globe and most assuredly Asia, but does that include military conquest at a later date?
http://dealbook.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/03/06/volcker-split-commercial-an...
somewhat more complex than it looks at first glance.
First, so as not to drain the central governments hard currency reserves, largely dollars, it is planned to be implemented primarily through provincial and local governments. AFAIK, these are basically unfunded mandates.
Second, a large part of that money is go to bring what had become private business back under the control of the state. This spending isn't random, and looks an awful lot like an effort to shore up the industrial base needed to make war. For example the proposed purchase of Hummer by Dongfeng would eliminate dependence on imports of the chassis and engine of Chinese military vehicles from the United States.
Long time no comment from...
Unbelievable isn't it? The world has changed in a matter of a few months. I watch TV and wonder who the hell they are talking to. It's like the ads cannot keep up...
we have brokerages talking about "diversification" and continual selling of $50k cars on those ads....
It's like multiple realities that are colliding and they do not match or sync and television is like from a time machine things are changing so dramatically.
Then, TV talking idiot heads are so amusing...
I saw multiple programs today claim low wages was "good" because it kept the United States "competitive" when they cannot even grasp no one can even afford rent on minimum wage or compete against a lower national GDP/PPP ratios like China, Vietnam, India etc. have in terms of wages.
No matter what....they cannot seem to get it together that income, wages, middle class is the economy and that's the key to this entire mess....
and when one collapses the middle class, one collapses the economy.
I'm sure next week I will write some Manifesto rant on how high wages are a damn good thing and if corporations had a clue they would realize that and so on. ;)
Yes, if they cannot get first and foremost a massive, aggressive, U.S. citizen, perm resident, work done in the United States government program together immediately we're in huge trouble.
I also think they should enlist every VC out there, guarantee their money and demand they invest in U.S. businesses, require the hiring of U.S. workers, business is done in the United States.
An army of VCs, evaluating business plans and people and get innovation out of this moving right now.
It appears we need a hell of a paradigm shift to get out of this mess and instead they just seem insistent to hold on to their toxic derivatives.
The unemployment projects were 10% by the end of 2009 but the rate it's going, I think it's going to exceed that very soon.....
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