"pressure abated" means what? The well ran dry? That oil field is massive, that thing is going to run for decades unabated.
Do you have any specifics, i.e. the volume of that oil field, the current PSI in the gush, the required PSI for the BOP to not blow out, the time decay of "oil gush from hell" PSI of that particular well (the PSI reduction rate, the slope, the delta, the rate of reduction of PSI), etc.?
Anything super technical, I can translate to English. I have zero background in any of these related technologies for deep sea oil drilling, so on, but a lot of the stuff I can translate to English when it's basic techno-jibe.
but myself, to me there will be plenty of time to go do forensic blaming, although granting licenses under the same terms is insane (I think Michael Collins pointing out some of those stats). Right now I am interested in promoting solutions to stop the damage and clean up the mess, regardless of cost because I personally believe not only is this immoral, the damage environmentally as well as economically has the potential to throw the U.S. not into a double dip, which I believe is more and more probable to happen, but into an economic depression.
This is kind of amazing to me for I am aware there are all sorts of technologies out there and additionally there are all sorts of scientists and engineers out there who can probably dream up even more solutions...to do environmentally sound clean up and even containment.
Right now the whole thing seems to have been bullshitting until they can get the relief wells drilled. On that score I am really wondering about secondary motivations on BP's part. Relief wells are oil wells...so they get new wells under the guise of stopping the leak?
On the other hand, I see this being the real solution due to the pressures.
But on the containment side, I mean this is where it seems the government is really dragging their ass and the politics abound.
What happened to all of those non-toxic technologies? Aren't there oil eating organisms, what about the solution already used, which is to use the tankers as oil suckers plus filters...where's that? What about building up outlying barriers...
it seems they simply are not pulling out all of the stops on containment and clean up here.
I suspect it's too late, a lot of these technologies should have been deployed a month ago for clean up, but that said, I'm interested in what solutions will work, right this minute on both the well cap as well as the clean up.
That was brought out in a confidential NOAA report early on that they fear the wellhead blowing just from the sandblasting effects going on.
Add the high pressure mud and kaboom.
Has the pressure lessened? Maybe in the last few days from the sip straw inserted but that has slowed down intake considerably since inserted meaning the plug caused back pressure which blew the pipe out somewhere else.
The mud is being inserted right into the well head so the pressure there has been constant or growing.
It's been massively increasing, so on the next monthly unemployment report, let's dig around to see if we notice any effects from this tax credit, esp. in "forced part time", which they do (or i think I can get at it) break out those numbers.
He heard Transocean offshore manager Jimmy Harrell question the decision of a BP manager whose name Brown could not remember.
“Well, this is how it’s going to be,” Brown said the BP manager told Harrell.
Harrell, who is scheduled to testify Thursday, was displeased by the decision, Brown recalled.
“(Harrell) pretty much grumbled … ‘I guess that’s what we have those pincers for,’” Brown told the panel. “I assumed he was talking about the shear rams on the BOP.”
You got that right! The pressure of the gusher is simply too great to be stopped presently, and certainly by BP's present and future plans (which is why I predict this topkill will fail miserably).
Given the amount of sea pressure at 5,000 feet, imagine the tremendous pressure exerted on that gusher from below the surface of the reservoir.
This problem (another prediction) will probably be found to be illegal fracking on the sea floor.
The media keeps repeating that legend that Pemex (the Mexican state-owned oil corporation) took 9 months to stop a similar underwater gusher.
Wrong! It took 9 months until the pressure abated.
I suspect this gusher will spew for some time to come....
What was it Pascal said...."When pressure is exerted on a confined liquid, it's power is transmitted undiminished."
Based upon the info I see on the IRS website, it seems like businesses can take that $1000 credit for each full or part-time hire. The credit maxes out at $1000 per hire if the annual pay for an employee reaches $16129. So if somebody is hiring, they could double or triple their credit if they hired 2 or 3 part-time workers at less pay and benefits than if they hired one full-time worker. And hiring all those part-time workers would get them off of the U3 unemployment roles to make it look like a real hiring boom was taking place. This just seems purposely designed to speed up the transition to a part-time employed, benefit-less economy while making the reported unemployment figures look good.
the surface area of the BOP (blow out preventer), I mean do they even know what exactly went wrong to cause the explosion in the first place? I mean specifically, where in the BOP it failed, surface area pin point, why it failed and is it that one of these "improbable" (black swan part III), points where the pipe is too thick to cut happened?
well that's if the pipe is weakened right, which who knows at that depth? Also, since the thing has been gushing oil all over hell for over a month, is it possible the pressure has dropped?
I think BP has a public relations team from hell. I'm still thinking about all of those commercials talking about "green" and "renewables" and so on, all the while they were cutting corners on safety.
Which leads to a burning question and I hope someone researches this out and writes a blog post on it. What is the total expenditures on marketing, public relations, "messaging control" and lobbying vs. the total costs in simply doing safety measures and things "right". We could pick anything from pharmaceuticals to the energy industry to cheap cheeseburgers.
That's the entire "production line" costs of manipulating the public and doing "image control" plus lobbying to remove regulations and safety requirements.
I'll bet money those costs greatly exceed the additional costs to simply design and deploy safety correctly.
I'm thinking out loud and wondering about combo of oil fishing nets plus centrifuges separators with mile long hoses (the pumps on these things is another issue). But oil has a different density, velocity than water. So, can one build these types of fishing nets to let the water pass through and collect the oil. Then put a centrifuge, machine near the area to kind of corral a lot of the oil into the centrifuge plus assist in pumping it up below the sea surface?
Another thing is does oil has any magnetic properties, different from water to make it "adhere" or "stick" to a large surface oil whereas water passes through?
Considering we shipped almost all of our manufacturing overseas, (is there even the facility to make that large plastic sheeting with the right density in the U.S. these days?), how long would it take to manufacture that large of a surface area, plus ship it (how, it's huge, they would have to reassemble on site and we're talking 8k feet of material, 10k....a mile is 5280 feet! then the area of the spill one could reduce it to just around the spill, but still you're looking at 6.28*radius*5000ft and that isn't the surface area with currents and pressures involved, then you have to deploy it.
They have ships in the area which could of course but they would have to coordinate. I'd personally have to see a computer model with your typical currents this type of year in the gulf. Then, do scientists even know the max/min/median currents in the Gulf? I mean wasn't it just recently they admitted huge rogue waves out of nowhere actually exist?
It seems the issue is pressure. I read in one site BP is using delaying tactics because the gusher pressure is too high and would cause too much friction (i.e. another blow up).
Amex is doing the opposite of what was once 'good banking'. Capital Requirements were at the top of the reform list. Supposedly, the Basel Agreement will handle Cap Requirements. We saw how well that worked in 2008.
If you have good bank equity, bank failures are rare.
But the Congress Critters had no stones on that, derivatives transparency, TBTF. The next major crisis has been planned.
There is a story about Louis XVI (beheaded 1791, last absolute French Monarch). He was traveling the country in his golden coach and passed a town hall with the roof caved in and he said to his retinue,
"Now, if I were a minister, I would see to it that that roof was fixed."
I hope this sounds familiar. Periods of failed reform are a really big deal if you follow history.
I had the same idea but with periodic steel hoops to solidify the structure so it does not collapse when a current pushes against one side. Further, the circular curtain/sleeve does not have to be completely straight, go from the ocean floor straight up to the surface. Let the current push it somewhat. Make it 8,000 feet long even though the shortest distance from surface to ocean floor is 5,000 feet. The important thing is that it reach from surface to floor, not that it be completely straight. Don't fight the current completely. Let the current angle it somewhat.
Not all nuclear bombs are powerful enough to blow up whole cities... We have what are called tactical nukes that can produce much smaller explosions: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tactical_nuke
In my opinion it seems like this is at least an option that should have been discussed and considered. I think the reason it hasn't is because of the administration's cozy relationship with all corporate entities.
I am not an expert of course but there has to be some kind of military solution to this.
What do we do for an encore if this creates an even bigger problem?
"pressure abated" means what? The well ran dry? That oil field is massive, that thing is going to run for decades unabated.
Do you have any specifics, i.e. the volume of that oil field, the current PSI in the gush, the required PSI for the BOP to not blow out, the time decay of "oil gush from hell" PSI of that particular well (the PSI reduction rate, the slope, the delta, the rate of reduction of PSI), etc.?
Anything super technical, I can translate to English. I have zero background in any of these related technologies for deep sea oil drilling, so on, but a lot of the stuff I can translate to English when it's basic techno-jibe.
but myself, to me there will be plenty of time to go do forensic blaming, although granting licenses under the same terms is insane (I think Michael Collins pointing out some of those stats). Right now I am interested in promoting solutions to stop the damage and clean up the mess, regardless of cost because I personally believe not only is this immoral, the damage environmentally as well as economically has the potential to throw the U.S. not into a double dip, which I believe is more and more probable to happen, but into an economic depression.
This is kind of amazing to me for I am aware there are all sorts of technologies out there and additionally there are all sorts of scientists and engineers out there who can probably dream up even more solutions...to do environmentally sound clean up and even containment.
Right now the whole thing seems to have been bullshitting until they can get the relief wells drilled. On that score I am really wondering about secondary motivations on BP's part. Relief wells are oil wells...so they get new wells under the guise of stopping the leak?
On the other hand, I see this being the real solution due to the pressures.
But on the containment side, I mean this is where it seems the government is really dragging their ass and the politics abound.
What happened to all of those non-toxic technologies? Aren't there oil eating organisms, what about the solution already used, which is to use the tankers as oil suckers plus filters...where's that? What about building up outlying barriers...
it seems they simply are not pulling out all of the stops on containment and clean up here.
I suspect it's too late, a lot of these technologies should have been deployed a month ago for clean up, but that said, I'm interested in what solutions will work, right this minute on both the well cap as well as the clean up.
That was brought out in a confidential NOAA report early on that they fear the wellhead blowing just from the sandblasting effects going on.
Add the high pressure mud and kaboom.
Has the pressure lessened? Maybe in the last few days from the sip straw inserted but that has slowed down intake considerably since inserted meaning the plug caused back pressure which blew the pipe out somewhere else.
The mud is being inserted right into the well head so the pressure there has been constant or growing.
We'll know by tonight whether this worked at all.
Of course, there's always got to be a
Vampire Squid connection, and everyone's fav, the Blackstone Group also connected.
These aren't even tested on the deep sea pipe that are used. They from what I have read may be uniformly too big for the BOP to cut and seal.
Its like installing fire alarms with no power source. It satisfies the requirement on paper.
It's been massively increasing, so on the next monthly unemployment report, let's dig around to see if we notice any effects from this tax credit, esp. in "forced part time", which they do (or i think I can get at it) break out those numbers.
Very good call out!
BP management made the decision to not engage the BOP before it was damaged (well thats if it would have worked anyway).
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You got that right! The pressure of the gusher is simply too great to be stopped presently, and certainly by BP's present and future plans (which is why I predict this topkill will fail miserably).
Given the amount of sea pressure at 5,000 feet, imagine the tremendous pressure exerted on that gusher from below the surface of the reservoir.
This problem (another prediction) will probably be found to be illegal fracking on the sea floor.
The media keeps repeating that legend that Pemex (the Mexican state-owned oil corporation) took 9 months to stop a similar underwater gusher.
Wrong! It took 9 months until the pressure abated.
I suspect this gusher will spew for some time to come....
What was it Pascal said...."When pressure is exerted on a confined liquid, it's power is transmitted undiminished."
Based upon the info I see on the IRS website, it seems like businesses can take that $1000 credit for each full or part-time hire. The credit maxes out at $1000 per hire if the annual pay for an employee reaches $16129. So if somebody is hiring, they could double or triple their credit if they hired 2 or 3 part-time workers at less pay and benefits than if they hired one full-time worker. And hiring all those part-time workers would get them off of the U3 unemployment roles to make it look like a real hiring boom was taking place. This just seems purposely designed to speed up the transition to a part-time employed, benefit-less economy while making the reported unemployment figures look good.
the surface area of the BOP (blow out preventer), I mean do they even know what exactly went wrong to cause the explosion in the first place? I mean specifically, where in the BOP it failed, surface area pin point, why it failed and is it that one of these "improbable" (black swan part III), points where the pipe is too thick to cut happened?
well that's if the pipe is weakened right, which who knows at that depth? Also, since the thing has been gushing oil all over hell for over a month, is it possible the pressure has dropped?
I think BP has a public relations team from hell. I'm still thinking about all of those commercials talking about "green" and "renewables" and so on, all the while they were cutting corners on safety.
Which leads to a burning question and I hope someone researches this out and writes a blog post on it. What is the total expenditures on marketing, public relations, "messaging control" and lobbying vs. the total costs in simply doing safety measures and things "right". We could pick anything from pharmaceuticals to the energy industry to cheap cheeseburgers.
That's the entire "production line" costs of manipulating the public and doing "image control" plus lobbying to remove regulations and safety requirements.
I'll bet money those costs greatly exceed the additional costs to simply design and deploy safety correctly.
The oil and sand and water are coming out under tremendous pressure already. Greater pressure than was intended for the long term most likely.
The sand has been blasting away at the metal of the pipe and well head now for just over a month.
The mud must be forced in at a much greater pressure to force it in.
Hence the pipe will collapse and blow up. It happened the only other time this has been done.
I'm thinking out loud and wondering about combo of oil fishing nets plus centrifuges separators with mile long hoses (the pumps on these things is another issue). But oil has a different density, velocity than water. So, can one build these types of fishing nets to let the water pass through and collect the oil. Then put a centrifuge, machine near the area to kind of corral a lot of the oil into the centrifuge plus assist in pumping it up below the sea surface?
Another thing is does oil has any magnetic properties, different from water to make it "adhere" or "stick" to a large surface oil whereas water passes through?
I'm thinking out loud.
Considering we shipped almost all of our manufacturing overseas, (is there even the facility to make that large plastic sheeting with the right density in the U.S. these days?), how long would it take to manufacture that large of a surface area, plus ship it (how, it's huge, they would have to reassemble on site and we're talking 8k feet of material, 10k....a mile is 5280 feet! then the area of the spill one could reduce it to just around the spill, but still you're looking at 6.28*radius*5000ft and that isn't the surface area with currents and pressures involved, then you have to deploy it.
They have ships in the area which could of course but they would have to coordinate. I'd personally have to see a computer model with your typical currents this type of year in the gulf. Then, do scientists even know the max/min/median currents in the Gulf? I mean wasn't it just recently they admitted huge rogue waves out of nowhere actually exist?
It seems the issue is pressure. I read in one site BP is using delaying tactics because the gusher pressure is too high and would cause too much friction (i.e. another blow up).
I'm beginning work but I'll check your article out tonight. I like the graphic. Looks like Rube Goldberg.
The finger in the dike is slipping and public outrage is about to blow. We'll see how it's shaped and controlled but this may be too much to manage.
Amex is doing the opposite of what was once 'good banking'. Capital Requirements were at the top of the reform list. Supposedly, the Basel Agreement will handle Cap Requirements. We saw how well that worked in 2008.
If you have good bank equity, bank failures are rare.
But the Congress Critters had no stones on that, derivatives transparency, TBTF. The next major crisis has been planned.
There is a story about Louis XVI (beheaded 1791, last absolute French Monarch). He was traveling the country in his golden coach and passed a town hall with the roof caved in and he said to his retinue,
"Now, if I were a minister, I would see to it that that roof was fixed."
I hope this sounds familiar. Periods of failed reform are a really big deal if you follow history.
I had the same idea but with periodic steel hoops to solidify the structure so it does not collapse when a current pushes against one side. Further, the circular curtain/sleeve does not have to be completely straight, go from the ocean floor straight up to the surface. Let the current push it somewhat. Make it 8,000 feet long even though the shortest distance from surface to ocean floor is 5,000 feet. The important thing is that it reach from surface to floor, not that it be completely straight. Don't fight the current completely. Let the current angle it somewhat.
Not all nuclear bombs are powerful enough to blow up whole cities... We have what are called tactical nukes that can produce much smaller explosions: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tactical_nuke
In my opinion it seems like this is at least an option that should have been discussed and considered. I think the reason it hasn't is because of the administration's cozy relationship with all corporate entities.
I am not an expert of course but there has to be some kind of military solution to this.
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