I see a robot arm holding down some long tube thing which has oil coming out of it. I'm hoping that's the top, where they can add the "hose" or "tube" to have it go into a tanker topside.
To start with which is what they tried and failed to do.
The idea was to get as tight a fit as possible to keep sea water out.
There is no way they were going to fit these together and seal tight.
If they had better robots they could make a compression fitting and tighten it onto the riser and seal it that way. Either that or remove the flange below the cut and attach another pipe with a flange to the riser pipe. They have to be sucking away any pressure the whole time etc. The robots are not that versatile though although a 30 foot tall 2,000 lb plumber could attach it.
I'm looking here, see Enterprise II, I see them moving in the "cutter" saw or maybe that's set up with a "holder" around the pipe area. Hard to say if a saw is on it or not.
What I saw the "explosion" plume was on Ocean intervention III, #2 camera but I'm not running any video recording capture here so I cannot reproduce that clip.
It's in place but I don't know if they have more to do, like try to seal the underneath, add some suction on the actual tube at the top, bolt something down and so on.
I sure hope so, doesn't make that much sense to just "lay it on top" without nailing it down and then working on seals and so on, but I am not an underwater/oil even mechanical engineer here. I don't even do my own car repairs.
It's completely obscured now with all of the oil going every which way but on the initial, just for a second, I saw an "explosion" of oil come out of the pipe at the bolts, at the seam, i.e. I'm thinking there is weakness in the pipe below the cut off.
I don't think that was a sudden downward redirection from the top of the pipe, it seemed a separate, brand new plume source.
I will put up another oil open thread but I was wanting for this stage results to come in.
they have the cap on and almost immediately I saw a huge plume of oil come out at the bolt seals where that joint is below the sawed off pipe.
Man, that's so depressing. You watch them laboriously maneuver all of this stuff, taking days and they get it on and poof, you see oil leaking from below the cut.
Hopefully I'm wrong in what I just saw or there is more sealing to happen or positioning.
I'm not sure what they did for new seals either. there was one red tubing that looked possible for a rubber seal, but I don't have any explanation on why they are not "finishing" the pipe cut. It might be it's 2600 PSI by sea depth alone.
Pressures
The flow: 9000 PSI
the sea: 2600 PSI
yet the current total measurement is 3500 PSI due to the pressure of the sea interacting with the PSI of the flow.
Supposedly scuba tanks are 3000 PSI, so that would seem manageable to make a cut.
Earlier you wanted to give these robot arms some twist ties to get the cables organized...
It's 18:15 PST, that's 20:15 CDT and it sure appears they are descending the cap now, so this might be the real attempt.
I don't know the PSI of the flow but assuredly that's going to be the big kahuna deal, to get that cap over it without it blowing off in the water or the flow simply escaping from the bottom and so on.
FAUX news is reporting they are putting the cap on the pipe. I tuned into Spillcam x8 and it looks to me like they are running and testing the methanol and heating lines to keep the hydrates off of the cap. These are the glorified frozen gas things which clogged the original "top hat" so oil couldn't flow through it.
This goes on much longer I wanna take my exam and get my college credit.
the lead up to some outrageous buzz feel good jobs headline is on maximum hype high today.
The estimates are 400k census temp jobs will be reported but the bottom line via ADP, unless their metrics went to statistical outer space, is we've got another month with no true jobs blow out and not enough to really even keep up with population growth (again).
I will try to make a graph/analysis/write up of tomorrow's jobs report a top priority, maybe I'll even set my alarm! (ha ha, these things take forever to really analyze) but be prepared for maximum spin on that report, regardless of what the actual numbers are.
(worse than the typical spin we see).
I'll mention this infamous "birth death" model running around but also try to amplify the data is seasonally adjusted (that are the official numbers).
Due to the lack of a clean cut on the pipe, it's leaning about 10 degrees in the slice, they have to readjust with some rubber sealing rings and other stuff to try to match the "pipe cut they got" instead of what they wanted.
They are pulling it up for analysis. But I gotta say, the media is all around the place, including being on the top side engineering vessels. I just hope the pressure and stress from all of this public blow by blow doesn't "blow it". There is huge pressure for them to "move fast". My response is "take your time". All you need to do is watch for 10 minutes any of those mechanical arms and ROVs and you'll see my point.
It's an amazing bitch frankly, this is a major engineering fix going on a mile under the sea, all done with ROVs. Watch one of those mechanical arms tying little knots in cables and ribbons, all movements, including "fingers" and "grasping" needing to be done through remote controls and you'll get the idea.
Are you working on this? The BLS database for regional data is here, you must scroll down to regional resources. Then, the Dallas Fed has other databases, here. Then, here is the greater New Orleans site with some additional research data.
Most of these databases are using XLS or CVS formats. Myself, I just got Excel 2007, which has better graphing ability, but still not ideal to examine trends, data. I've yet to find software that really helps, easily to make charts/graphs and analysis and I've downloaded many a tool to date. This is on my "to do" list actually, to make it much easier to automatically generate charts and tables from the raw data.
One sounds really good. they are reversing the technology which tried to pump oil drilling mud (the junk shot), to being a giant vaccuum cleaner or pump up the oil into a tanker. Finally.
Then, they have 3rd design in the works to make the entire thing more stable, so it looks like even if they manage to get the cap on, they will be continuing to modify the solution plus create that reserve pumping station.
I have no idea why they didn't do the reverse pumping 40 days ago, but at least they are talking about it now and it's due for deployment next week.
I'm looking at it, it doesn't appear to have increased the flow that much just eyeballing it but assuredly we'll see a new flow rate estimate from the team of experts put together.
She laughed about us ya know. Pelosi I mean. The mouth piece for our President (famous history making prez). I'm so mad now I can't see straight. How dare she. Show's how concerned our government is for us. Wish they were as concerned about us as they were about Greece when they bailed them out. I guess our Government thinks we are above up-rising on this issue. Hey, we are desperate with NOTHING TO LOSE ANYMORE. We have to do something with actions now. Words are not being heard or taken seriously.
Spillonomics, estimated by the Altanta Fed. Note they just list the industries by sector and number of jobs. But now we know the entire region has stopped the fishing industry for an example, so we could get some of those numbers.
I'm not sure exactly where regional economy and industrial sector economy data is from the cost, but the BLS might have some of this breakdown.
are on many levels and a few economic trains of thought emerge:
1. As you have outlined, the direct cost outlay of containment and clean-up.
2. Tier 2 indirect cost - loss revenue from fishing, tourism, and other industries that are directly impacted
3. My concern is with the 3rd tier indirect costs - wetlands restoration (if that is even possible), costs that will be derived from the change in ecology in LA, MS, AL, FL.
From the trajectory, it looks like the spill will likely affect the FL Everglades, too. We have no idea what the ricochet effects (and costs) this will manifest.
I see a robot arm holding down some long tube thing which has oil coming out of it. I'm hoping that's the top, where they can add the "hose" or "tube" to have it go into a tanker topside.
To start with which is what they tried and failed to do.
The idea was to get as tight a fit as possible to keep sea water out.
There is no way they were going to fit these together and seal tight.
If they had better robots they could make a compression fitting and tighten it onto the riser and seal it that way. Either that or remove the flange below the cut and attach another pipe with a flange to the riser pipe. They have to be sucking away any pressure the whole time etc. The robots are not that versatile though although a 30 foot tall 2,000 lb plumber could attach it.
I'm looking here, see Enterprise II, I see them moving in the "cutter" saw or maybe that's set up with a "holder" around the pipe area. Hard to say if a saw is on it or not.
What I saw the "explosion" plume was on Ocean intervention III, #2 camera but I'm not running any video recording capture here so I cannot reproduce that clip.
It's in place but I don't know if they have more to do, like try to seal the underneath, add some suction on the actual tube at the top, bolt something down and so on.
I sure hope so, doesn't make that much sense to just "lay it on top" without nailing it down and then working on seals and so on, but I am not an underwater/oil even mechanical engineer here. I don't even do my own car repairs.
It's completely obscured now with all of the oil going every which way but on the initial, just for a second, I saw an "explosion" of oil come out of the pipe at the bolts, at the seam, i.e. I'm thinking there is weakness in the pipe below the cut off.
I don't think that was a sudden downward redirection from the top of the pipe, it seemed a separate, brand new plume source.
I will put up another oil open thread but I was wanting for this stage results to come in.
its in place? Is that what you see Robert?
Something went wrong the oil flow was disturbed when I looked back anarchy.
I hope they have not made things worse.
they have the cap on and almost immediately I saw a huge plume of oil come out at the bolt seals where that joint is below the sawed off pipe.
Man, that's so depressing. You watch them laboriously maneuver all of this stuff, taking days and they get it on and poof, you see oil leaking from below the cut.
Hopefully I'm wrong in what I just saw or there is more sealing to happen or positioning.
I'm not sure what they did for new seals either. there was one red tubing that looked possible for a rubber seal, but I don't have any explanation on why they are not "finishing" the pipe cut. It might be it's 2600 PSI by sea depth alone.
Pressures
The flow: 9000 PSI
the sea: 2600 PSI
yet the current total measurement is 3500 PSI due to the pressure of the sea interacting with the PSI of the flow.
Supposedly scuba tanks are 3000 PSI, so that would seem manageable to make a cut.
Earlier you wanted to give these robot arms some twist ties to get the cables organized...
all feeds in one screen is here.
It's 18:15 PST, that's 20:15 CDT and it sure appears they are descending the cap now, so this might be the real attempt.
I don't know the PSI of the flow but assuredly that's going to be the big kahuna deal, to get that cap over it without it blowing off in the water or the flow simply escaping from the bottom and so on.
Most good plumbers would try to cut then custom fit a diameter of pipe measured against the pipe you fit into.
The new pipe would have a harder metal thread to cut the old pipe.
You cut a softer metal with the thread of a harder metal.
If necessary, the idiotic diamond saw could have been designed into the threads of the new pipe.
FAUX news is reporting they are putting the cap on the pipe. I tuned into Spillcam x8 and it looks to me like they are running and testing the methanol and heating lines to keep the hydrates off of the cap. These are the glorified frozen gas things which clogged the original "top hat" so oil couldn't flow through it.
This goes on much longer I wanna take my exam and get my college credit.
the lead up to some outrageous buzz feel good jobs headline is on maximum hype high today.
The estimates are 400k census temp jobs will be reported but the bottom line via ADP, unless their metrics went to statistical outer space, is we've got another month with no true jobs blow out and not enough to really even keep up with population growth (again).
I will try to make a graph/analysis/write up of tomorrow's jobs report a top priority, maybe I'll even set my alarm! (ha ha, these things take forever to really analyze) but be prepared for maximum spin on that report, regardless of what the actual numbers are.
(worse than the typical spin we see).
I'll mention this infamous "birth death" model running around but also try to amplify the data is seasonally adjusted (that are the official numbers).
Due to the lack of a clean cut on the pipe, it's leaning about 10 degrees in the slice, they have to readjust with some rubber sealing rings and other stuff to try to match the "pipe cut they got" instead of what they wanted.
They are pulling it up for analysis. But I gotta say, the media is all around the place, including being on the top side engineering vessels. I just hope the pressure and stress from all of this public blow by blow doesn't "blow it". There is huge pressure for them to "move fast". My response is "take your time". All you need to do is watch for 10 minutes any of those mechanical arms and ROVs and you'll see my point.
It's an amazing bitch frankly, this is a major engineering fix going on a mile under the sea, all done with ROVs. Watch one of those mechanical arms tying little knots in cables and ribbons, all movements, including "fingers" and "grasping" needing to be done through remote controls and you'll get the idea.
why this post amplified this.
Are you working on this? The BLS database for regional data is here, you must scroll down to regional resources. Then, the Dallas Fed has other databases, here. Then, here is the greater New Orleans site with some additional research data.
Most of these databases are using XLS or CVS formats. Myself, I just got Excel 2007, which has better graphing ability, but still not ideal to examine trends, data. I've yet to find software that really helps, easily to make charts/graphs and analysis and I've downloaded many a tool to date. This is on my "to do" list actually, to make it much easier to automatically generate charts and tables from the raw data.
One sounds really good. they are reversing the technology which tried to pump oil drilling mud (the junk shot), to being a giant vaccuum cleaner or pump up the oil into a tanker. Finally.
Then, they have 3rd design in the works to make the entire thing more stable, so it looks like even if they manage to get the cap on, they will be continuing to modify the solution plus create that reserve pumping station.
I have no idea why they didn't do the reverse pumping 40 days ago, but at least they are talking about it now and it's due for deployment next week.
I'm looking at it, it doesn't appear to have increased the flow that much just eyeballing it but assuredly we'll see a new flow rate estimate from the team of experts put together.
She laughed about us ya know. Pelosi I mean. The mouth piece for our President (famous history making prez). I'm so mad now I can't see straight. How dare she. Show's how concerned our government is for us. Wish they were as concerned about us as they were about Greece when they bailed them out. I guess our Government thinks we are above up-rising on this issue. Hey, we are desperate with NOTHING TO LOSE ANYMORE. We have to do something with actions now. Words are not being heard or taken seriously.
Spillonomics, estimated by the Altanta Fed. Note they just list the industries by sector and number of jobs. But now we know the entire region has stopped the fishing industry for an example, so we could get some of those numbers.
I'm not sure exactly where regional economy and industrial sector economy data is from the cost, but the BLS might have some of this breakdown.
are on many levels and a few economic trains of thought emerge:
1. As you have outlined, the direct cost outlay of containment and clean-up.
2. Tier 2 indirect cost - loss revenue from fishing, tourism, and other industries that are directly impacted
3. My concern is with the 3rd tier indirect costs - wetlands restoration (if that is even possible), costs that will be derived from the change in ecology in LA, MS, AL, FL.
From the trajectory, it looks like the spill will likely affect the FL Everglades, too. We have no idea what the ricochet effects (and costs) this will manifest.
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