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  • "...Chernobyl on steroids." Washington Post, March 13

    "Although Tokyo Electric said it also continued to deal with cooling system failures and high pressures at half a dozen of its 10 reactors in the two Fukushima complexes, fears mounted about the threat posed by the pools of water where years of spent fuel rods are stored.

    "At the 40-year-old Fukushima Daiichi unit 1, where an explosion Saturday destroyed a building housing the reactor, the spent fuel pool, in accordance with "General Electric’s design, is placed above the reactor. Tokyo Electric said it was trying to figure out how to maintain water levels in the pools, indicating that the normal safety systems there had failed, too. Failure to keep adequate water levels in a pool would lead to a catastrophic fire, said nuclear experts, some of whom think that unit 1’s pool may now be outside.

    “That would be like Chernobyl on steroids,” said Arnie Gundersen, a nuclear engineer at Fairewinds Associates and a member of the public oversight panel for the Vermont Yankee nuclear plant, which is identical to the Fukushima Daiichi unit 1.

    "People familiar with the plant said there are seven spent fuel pools at Fukushima Daiichi, many of them densely packed.

    "Gundersen said the unit 1 pool could have as much as 20 years of spent fuel rods, which are still radioactive.

    See discussion at FireDogLake by Kirk James Murphy, MD

    Reply to: Power Corrupts, Nuclear Power Corrupts Absolutely   13 years 7 months ago
  • Here's a story that Reuters carried earlier today. It demonstrates clearly that accidents can't be controlled. In the case of Fukushima I, the suggestion is to bury the problem. All the snazy engineering solutions (which never were, apparently), failed. Plan B is to just do another cover up. But something interesting happened.

    This is a current Google search for this text, in quotation marks. "TOKYO (Reuters) - Japanese engineers conceded on Friday that burying a crippled nuclear plant in sand and concrete may be a last resort to prevent a catastrophic radiation release, the method used to seal huge leakages from Chernobyl in 1986." This is the Google result that I received at around 12:30am ET:

    I found what I was looking for.  Is that ever a perfect description of epic failure. 

    But when I clicked each of the links and the "Cached" link on  #3, that story had disappeared.  Somebody has it and Google, bless their hearts, still shows the search results.  But the failure was too hot too handle and Reuters pulled the story.

    Link 1      Link 2       Link 3   Cached Link 2      Cached Link 3

    Here's the lede at those links:

    March 18 (Reuters) - Exhausted engineers attached a power cable to the outside of Japan's tsunami-crippled nuclear plant on Saturday in a race to prevent deadly radiation from an accident now rated at least as bad as America's Three Mile Island incident in 1979.

    It looks like Reuters got ahead of the timeline.  They presented the denoument out of order.

    If there's nothing to hide, tell the truth. If there's something to hid, the nuclear industry must be forced to tell the truth.

    Reply to: Power Corrupts, Nuclear Power Corrupts Absolutely   13 years 7 months ago
  • The deliberately contrived, invalid testing is why Fukushima I is failinig and why the 23 reactors of the same type should be shut down now.

    The memos from 1972 form Hanauer and X are a gift to us right now.  Let me repeat Hanauer's statement:

    "Recently we have reevaluated the GE test results and decided on a more conservative interpretation than has been used by GE all these years (and accepted by us). We now believe that the former interpretation was incorrect, using data from tests not applicable to accident conditions." Stephen J. Hanauer, Atomic Energy Commission New York Times pdf September 20, 1972 (Article)

    The reactors involved are made by GE, the same GE that Hanauer points out provided safety information with "tests" that didn't factor in "accident conditions."  If you don't get the implications of that, you wouldn't make it far on the show, "Are you smarter than a fifth grader?"  Anyone who reads the follow up from the future head of the NRC, Hendrie sees what happened.  He knew that the enormity of GE's handling of testing meant that nothing further from them could ever be trusted.  It's really a monstrous dishonesty.   But he didn't want to stand in front of a firing squad to make the move he knew should be made.  

    You can recite this and that from nuclear power text books all day long.  But you can't deny that catastrophic accidents occur at a rate greater than zero. This design lead to one because those involved failed to set the testing software to simulate anything greater than a 7.9 Richter scale earthquake.

    Deal with reality, not the dead science of nuclear fission and money driven nuclear engineering.  It's a dead letter not worth opening.  The people of the world will speak and make their voices heard.  This industry is finished.

     

    Reply to: Power Corrupts, Nuclear Power Corrupts Absolutely   13 years 7 months ago
  • I'm not a fan of the political class in any of the industrialized nations. They're like a wrecking crew. However, these are top nuclear officials making categorical statements that were cleared before they were made, you can be sure. They were not acting on their own. I didn't mention it, but the Emperor of Japan's statement was a remarkable one, as well. It contradicted the "we'll get it under control" party line from Tokyo Electric. They were given facts and prepared statements in behalf of the government. While they may not be engineers, they are certainly capable of presenting facts gained by those qualified to make the assessments.

    Reply to: Power Corrupts, Nuclear Power Corrupts Absolutely   13 years 7 months ago
  • This site tries very hard to be accurate. That said, it's pretty clear, even from the U.S. information, Japan is a real problem. Japan themselves just elevated the risk....so you're doing your own kind of insults, I'll assume for job protection.

    That doesn't help get accurate information out there for you're in complete denial it appears from what is going on right at this moment, the poor design and the risk.

    Reply to: Power Corrupts, Nuclear Power Corrupts Absolutely   13 years 7 months ago
    EPer:
  • This blog is so far off the mark, they aren't even in the same firing range. For those wanting to know, the plants stood up to the earthquake just fine. It didn't even phase the safety systems in place at the power plant. The reactors were automatically shut down by the earthquake just as they should. Then the emergency diesel generators started up and powered the emergency cooling systems. It was the tsunami that really did the damage, taking out the generators.

    For those that don't know how the nuclear process works, fissions happens as a result of a uranium or plutonium particle absorbing a neutron and then splitting into two or three other particles called fission products along with several other neutrons. These neutrons go on to induce fission in other atoms thus creating a chain reaction. When the safety rods are inserted, they absorb all the free neutrons thus stopping the reaction. The fission products are extremely high energy which is where the majority of the heat comes from in the plant. This heat is used to make water boil and turn into high pressure steam and then turns a turbine.

    However, these fission products are also unstable and undergo a process called beta minus or beta plus decay. This also releases heat. This is called decay heat and continues to be produced after shutdown. This is also the same process that releases radiation in the air if these fission products reach the atmosphere. And this is why cooling is needed in spent fuel rods and shut down reactors.

    When the diesel generators were knocked out, the battery back ups kicked in. These batteries are designed to last 8 hours to provide cooling water flow to the plant. And they did. Once the batteries were dead, there was no way to add cool water to plant and it began to heat the water that was in there. As the water heated, it expanded thus raising pressure in the plant. Now, keep in mind, the 8 hours of battery life is long enough to let enough fission products decay to stability to the point where the reactor is producing about 1,000,000,000th the amount of heat output as when it was running. But once all circulation was lost, the water in the core continued to heat and expand and build pressure. Ultimately, to ensure the containment vessel does not rupture, they had to vent steam from the vessel. This steam is filtered as it exits to minimize the release of fission products to the environment.

    The containment vessel is housed inside an air tight building called the primary containment building. This building is inside another building called the secondary containment building. It is also air tight. These are to provide extra boundaries of protection to the environment. The secondary containment building is actually inside a third building used only to protect against the weather. This one, unlike the other two isn't designed to keep stuff in, its designed to keep the weather out. This is actually where the vented steam goes as it is released.

    Once the reactor reached about 1200C, the fuel pellet outer protective shell starts to break down by a chemical process. This process releases large amounts of hydrogen. This hydrogen is what built up in the weather shed and ultimate caused the explosions in several reactors. There was minimal release of contaminant to environment. And the secondary building was not damaged.

    The radiation coming from inside the plants were caused by the build up of fission products released through the steam and caught in the filters. Each time they had to vent, more fission products where built up in the filters. As more fission products build up in the filters, the radiation levels in the plant will continue to climb. This is what is actually driving any workers radiation levels up, not the spent fuel rods or the reactor itself. They need to restore power to the plant so they can run the water pumps and introduce colder water to the plant and maintain the temperature of the core at a safe level, no longer needing to vent steam.

    The spent fuel rods are stored up high for a reason. When they sit long enough, the fission products decay to a stable condition. When they have reached a low enough thermal output, they can be transported to a permanent storage location. The are up high near the roof because they will be removed by crane when the plant is shutdown and cooled down. The hatches in the building rooves above it can be opened once pressure in the plant is low enough that a containment breech is improbable. If they were stored lower in the plant, this would greatly complicate the removal process and increase the chance of damaging the plant while trying to remove spent fuel.

    There is extremely little chance of a meltdown in the plant at this point. Even if the plant was vacated for a week, it would not be enough time for temperatures to reach the 2600C+ required to begin a meltdown process.

    There is an extremely large amount of miss information about this situation floating around the news media. Even the IAEA is putting out misinformation received from bad sources. Don't believe everything you hear and read. Instead, investigate the truth and ask someone who knows.

    And for those that don't know whether this is true or not, I am a trained nuclear reactor operator and sat behind the panel of a reactor for 6 years. I do have some basis for my statements. This blog is full of fallacies, find better information to base your opinion of nuclear power upon. Not the rhetoric of someone who is antinuclear simply because he doesn't understand it.

    Reply to: Power Corrupts, Nuclear Power Corrupts Absolutely   13 years 7 months ago
    EPer:
  • I'm pro-nuke but Yucca was a terrible idea and had it coming. Why build a facility essentially to store depleted fuel in a central location located the furthest distance from most of the plants thereby insuring that fuel is transported on the open roads for the longest period of time.

    Yucca makes even less sense when you consider waste reduction will be increased by Gen IV designs like Bill Gates' TerraReactor project. You need smaller more localized permanent storage, reprocessing, and simply better reactors that reduce the amount of waste produced.

    When we get fusion-fission hybrid that work well enough to destroy all of the waste then Yucca will really be seen as a waste. Hell fusion processes don't even have to produce net energy to be able to break down wastes. Why aren't we researching that?

    If we learned anything from this incident is that we should decentralize and reduce the the size of nuclear plants so we don't have to as much too clean up and decentralize the grid so we don't have power down for as long period of time thereby worsening crises. The most important lesson is that we should be more careful about where we put stuff.

    Yucca is stupid.

    Reply to: Power Corrupts, Nuclear Power Corrupts Absolutely   13 years 7 months ago
    EPer:
  • Oh no! The amount of people defaulting is falling?! Looks like banks/creditors will be collecting less overdraft fees as more and more people are working toward credit repair and paying off their debts entirely! The sad thing is, you're going to start seeing more and more other fees popping up to replace their lost revenue! You can quote me on that! Chase is already implementing checking account fees, which is why I recently switched banks! What a difference three years can make in a bank... WaMu was such an awesome bank and I never had ANY problems with them, but as soon as Chase takes over, they start lying, stealing and cheating their way into huge profits. Banks, by nature, are criminal.

    Reply to: New York Fed Claims Consumers Are not "Defaulting as Much"   13 years 7 months ago
    EPer:
  • not exactly 12km. Also, the readings are double the normal. Even more odious the International Nuclear Agency wasn't even MEASURING radiation levels at the site or around the surrounding area.

    Radiation just hit California, that's 4500 miles away. They won't give the actual reading of course, but that's 4500 miles of travel.

    So, it would be nice here to have accurate information, which is one of the main points of this post.

    Reply to: Power Corrupts, Nuclear Power Corrupts Absolutely   13 years 7 months ago
    EPer:
  • Oh, and if you want some facts - here's what the actual radiation monitoring around Fukushima looks like:

    http://www.mext.go.jp/component/a_menu/other/detail/__icsFiles/afieldfil...

    Units are in microsieverts - the numbers are extremely low; background radiation is 1.6 microsieverts/hour.

    Tokyo radiation monitoring:

    http://www.denphone.com/denphone-tokyo-office-geiger-counter

    Indeed, the numbers from both of these links contradict the alarmist crap from both Oettinger and Jaczko.

    Reply to: Power Corrupts, Nuclear Power Corrupts Absolutely   13 years 7 months ago
    EPer:
  • Oettinger is a lawyer by training and a career politician by vocation.

    He has zero credibility; in fact his original comments were accompanied by his official spokesperson saying that Mr. Oettinger had no private sources of extra information.

    As for Jaczko - again - another career politician.

    He at least has a technical degree, but has never actually worked in any function even remotely related to nuclear power - other than advising politicians. In fact his degree came in 1999 - and his career in politics started soon after.

    His statement furthermore was notably lacking in facts, and coupled with his public fight against Yucca, it is quite likely he is against nuclear power in principle.

    So while the situation in Japan is definitely of concern, on the other hand statements by 2 politicians don't lend any facts to the affair.

    Reply to: Power Corrupts, Nuclear Power Corrupts Absolutely   13 years 7 months ago
    EPer:
  • A concern troll comment like yours. You have no facts, no information and ignoring the half life of the radioactive material. Of course the engineers did their job and of course it was corrupted by those out for profit....hello, must be missing 4,000 years of human history here.

    Gee, 100,000 people must flee their homes and move to an alien nation and you think that's just great to have a forced migration of the Japanese people.

    I guess the phrase there for the Grace of God Go I is meaningless to you.

    Reply to: Power Corrupts, Nuclear Power Corrupts Absolutely   13 years 7 months ago
    EPer:
  • Ionry is in the igonrants...

    Reply to: Power Corrupts, Nuclear Power Corrupts Absolutely   13 years 7 months ago
    EPer:
  • Bloomberg has a piece on Japan's Nuclear Industry faking reports, not reporting accidents.

    The unfolding disaster at the Fukushima nuclear plant follows decades of falsified safety reports, fatal accidents and underestimated earthquake risk in Japan’s atomic power industry.

    The destruction caused by last week’s 9.0 earthquake and tsunami comes less than four years after a 6.8 quake shut the world’s biggest atomic plant, also run by Tokyo Electric Power Co. In 2002 and 2007, revelations the utility had faked repair records forced the resignation of the company’s chairman and president, and a three-week shutdown of all 17 of its reactors.

    With almost no oil or gas reserves of its own, nuclear power has been a national priority for Japan since the end of World War II, a conflict the country fought partly to secure oil supplies. Japan has 54 operating nuclear reactors -- more than any other country except the U.S. and France -- to power its industries, pitting economic demands against safety concerns in the world’s most earthquake-prone country.

    Nuclear engineers and academics who have worked in Japan’s atomic power industry spoke in interviews of a history of accidents, faked reports and inaction by a succession of Liberal Democratic Party governments that ran Japan for nearly all of the postwar period.

    Katsuhiko Ishibashi, a seismology professor at Kobe University, has said Japan’s history of nuclear accidents stems from an overconfidence in plant engineering. In 2006, he resigned from a government panel on reactor safety, saying the review process was rigged and “unscientific.”

    And they wonder why no one believes them anymore.

    Reply to: Power Corrupts, Nuclear Power Corrupts Absolutely   13 years 7 months ago
    EPer:
  • Only igonrants would disregard nuclear power at this stage.
    The fact is that the nuclear fuel behaved as nuclear engineers predicted.
    they, the nuclear engineers did their job. Not so for the architects, MBAs, those economists and managers who decided (in order to minimize management costs...) to build the reactors very close to each other, etc, etc.

    P.S.: We just received a proposal for the Romanian Government to invite at least 100000 Japanese citizens who lost their homes last week to come and settle in Romania.
    We believe this is an excellent idea, that it is a humanitarian action that should be replicated worldwide. This could also help our communities overcome the economic crisis.
    Kind regards,

    Reply to: Power Corrupts, Nuclear Power Corrupts Absolutely   13 years 7 months ago
    EPer:
  • Quote: "As for hydro and geothermal - there simply aren't that many sites available. Theoretically, if every single large site remaining were covered, it might be possible to generate 5% to 10% of the existing electricity demand"

    Hydro can be greatly added to if we build very large scale new infrastructure like the old plans from 1960s like North American Water and Power Alliance. You can add 45 gigawatts with better turbines at existing plants alone and with NAWAPA you can a net 145 gigawatts. Other new projects should get us to 250 gigawatts.

    However, just remember that so far hydroelectric has killed more people than the Nuclear plants in Japan when the dams broke and washed away more than 1800 homes.

    NAWAPA's extended water infrastructure would make activated Geothermal economical adding almost a Terrawatt of Generation capacity. Wind and Solar won't do much work but Hydro and Geothermal might be able to get renewables up to 20% electrical.

    Now that fission is off the table for next 40 years in America the hopes for emissions reduction are all but dead and fossil gas is going through the roof. Hello Gasland, thanks Greenies.

    The problem is Greenies hate large scale hydro almost as much as they hate nuclear so just as there will never be a new fission plant build in the United State we will never built another hydroelectric dam in the United States no matter how clean the energy.

    The only hope now is guys like Eric Lerner at Lawrenceville Plasma Physics, folks at EMC2, and Glen Wurden at General Fusion succeed with their long shot alternative fusion projects. Too bad they are literally working for shoe string budgets versus the ITER massive uneconomical wastes of time that are the so-called mainstream approaches.

    The DOE only funds fusion projects which are inherently uneconomical and won't threaten the fossils.

    The DOE is totally captured by the Fossils so this musical video about sums up the situation on energy, the environment, and politics and the economy.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3Rgh4kHPwg

    Reply to: "Whichever way the wind blows" - Update Fukushima I Nuclear Disaster   13 years 7 months ago
    EPer:
  • Another alternative energy Astroturfer with no data said:

    "The well-funded, by the Feds, nuclear establishment is on the offensive, continuing to push a foolish, and bankrupt technology. "

    Yes, the US nuclear is industry is so well established and successful that it has not been able to have a new nuclear plant commissioned in the US since 1977.

    34 years of no nukes. Real successful. NOT.

    Then this poster put up another fatuous statement: "So, a 1,000 MW generating station takes 3,000 MW of heat. Now, although not obvious to many, global warming is the result of too much heat. (That is the "warming" part, if you don't get this.)"

    Well, global warming as expressed in terms of extra heat in the earth's ocean's is in the order of 10 to the exponent of 22 joules: http://www.nodc.noaa.gov/OC5/3M_HEAT_CONTENT/

    1 Megawatt = 3.6 billion joules for 1 hour. The increase in ocean heat is thus roughly 3000 billion megawatts for 1 hour.

    Of course this is all irrelevant, because global warming is a function of the sun and the atmosphere. Nuclear power cooling is no more relevant than 6 billion people breathing out warm moist air.

    Then this poster said: "During the last few years, most of the new generating capacity in the US has been new windpower. "

    Another terrible lie.

    Just from 1999 to 2003, 144 Gigawatts of natural gas electricity generation capability was built: http://www.mnforsustain.org/natural_gas_supply_in_decline_youngquist_dun...

    Total wind capacity as of June 2010 was only 36 Gigawatts: wiki

    Reply to: "Whichever way the wind blows" - Update Fukushima I Nuclear Disaster   13 years 7 months ago
    EPer:
  • The well-funded, by the Feds, nuclear establishment is on the offensive, continuing to push a foolish, and bankrupt technology. The heart of the problem is that carbon-carbon bonds are rather weak, and humans are made with these linkages. The sun blasts out considerable radiation. However the earth's fortunate magnetic field deflects almost of these, and surface living creatures escape. With out those "shields" up, carbon polymers, like us, could not exist. Life might persist in the oceans, or course. So, there are two environments in this universe. One has damaging radiation, and one does not. It is very obvious that bring damaging radiation into ours, which does not have that, is a crime, or it should be.

    Nuclear energy is just a heat source, as the Japanese experience demonstrates. That heat needs to be made into electricity, and that involves pressure-volume machinery. The conversion of heat to electricity is not efficient. Modern nuclear reactors are about 33% efficiency. So, a 1,000 MW generating station takes 3,000 MW of heat. Now, although not obvious to many, global warming is the result of too much heat. (That is the "warming" part, if you don't get this.) So, why would anybody stick 2,000 MW of wasted heat into the environment. (Sticking it in the ocean, as the Japanese reactors do, dumping that into the environment.) Wind machines on the contrary actually cool the environment. Not thought about much, but wind energy is just thermal energy, and the air on the back end of a wind mill is cooler than the air blowing into the front—that energy needs to come from some place. (The velocity of molecules, that thing we call 'Wind speed", is just an indication of temperature.) Photovoltaic systems do much the same trick. Part of the thermal flux from the sun gets made into electrons for us.

    During the last few years, most of the new generating capacity in the US has been new windpower. You can do the numbers easily. If wind power grows at a 20% annual rate, in ten years the majority of electricity in the US will be wind. Get your compound interest tables out, and you can easily get there. However, there are many electricity generating stations that are ancient and need to be retired. In the mean time, the new Apple mini, a credible computer by any measure, consumes less than 10 W, and modern LED lighting will take about 25% of what compact fluorescent lights take. It will be easy, if we adapt the new technology, to cut electricity demand by 50%. Why would this thought to be a bad idea? Even conservatives should be able to think about using less money for energy, and that would then allow them to do other things with their money.

    The last theme we need to consider is the contributions that US technology made to this Japanese disaster. We understand that the GE PWR design was "cheaper" and did not need the expensive concrete containment vessel. We also understand that Japan could have purchased reactors from a bunch of vendors including France and Russia. So, the US reactors came to Japan hyped and subsidized by our government. There are some people who are guilty in this terrible accident, like those who sited the reactor on the ocean. However, we must remember there are many more who are responsible, folks who observed and did nothing, folks who are getting paid to spout words to deceive and lie. It would seem in a moral world that General Electric, just like Tokyo Electric Power Company, would stand up and say, "We apologize for providing a reactor with an unsafe design, and one which allowed spent fuel to be stored in the same building as the main reactor. We apologize for not telling the Japanese that the site was not safe. We promise that we will provide economic assistance for the damage that our bad engineering and bad management caused." Some how, I doubt this will happen. Rather, the rest of the world will just watch the US fall into being of no consequence. Sad.

    Reply to: "Whichever way the wind blows" - Update Fukushima I Nuclear Disaster   13 years 7 months ago
    EPer:
  • Some other Anonymous said: "If we massed produced together solar panels the most reasonable efficient ones would cost much less than your starbuck coffee and once automated less than your home brewed cheapest coffee."

    This is stupid, and betrays the poster's complete lack of any credibility.

    Solar panels involve silicon. The processes used are not as complex as for cutting edge CPUs, but still require clean rooms, semiconductor manufacturing equipment and most importantly silicon wafer blanks.

    A solar panel line costs $400 million dollars, the base silicon real estate i.e. wafers cost is $200 (in 2003) for a 12 inch diameter blank.

    Multiply this out to the 6 to 7 square meters for a 1 kilowatt installation, and you get a blank silicon cost of $19000 (about 96 12 inch wafer equivalents).

    Of course in reality a big chunk of the 6-7 square meters isn't solar cell, it is connectivity. Silicon blank costs are somewhat down from 2003, but not orders of magnitude, so to say a reasonably sizes solar installation is equal in cost to a Starbucks coffee is crap of the highest order.

    There are non-silicon wafer based solar cells - but these are both far lower in efficiency and far less able to retain conversion capability (all solar cells degrade in their ability to convert sunlight into electricity over time).

    Reply to: "Whichever way the wind blows" - Update Fukushima I Nuclear Disaster   13 years 7 months ago
    EPer:
  • All indicators from the Fed at least are do something and in part I believe their hands were forced on QE2 BECAUSE this administration, Treasury/Congress won't do something.

    I'm not Ben's personal pal here but let's stick to the facts on policy announcements. Bernanke cannot confront China's currency manipulation, that's up to this administration and Congress, unfortunately. He's issued many a statement implying it's critical the U.S. do something right now about it.

    Reply to: U.S. Treasury Secretary Geithner Proposes Balanced Trade   13 years 7 months ago
    EPer:

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